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(C) 1994 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May
be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on
GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign
up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection
type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE
and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information.
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Message 1 Fri Oct 08, 1993
P.NEREO [Philip] at 21:54 EDT
Can anyone explain to me what the deal is printing to an SLM-804 from PStream
2.2b? To use the SLM driver, seems I have to boot withgout the Diablo
emulator. The docs refer to a Diablo driver to use if you have the Diablo
emulator loaded, but I couldn't find it in the latest driver file I
downloaded. Is it just me and my wierd assortment of auto folder stuff or
what?
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Message 2 Sat Oct 09, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 03:48 EDT
I almost bought PageStream, but what is holding me back are the rumours
circulating around that this program will probley never be upgraded to Falcon
specs. I understand it works fine under the ST Compatablity modes, but why
should I downgrade the Falcon to those modes to run software? I would like to
know if this rumour is true or not, as to if PageStream will or not be
upgraded toward Falcon specifications. If it is planning to be upgraded,
consider myself a buyer of the product and I'll be looking forward to an
update. I'll work on it in ST Compatablity mode until then. In the mean
time, I'm using AtariWorks, and for the first time I'm finally getting the
hang of 'DTP'ing'... now I see what all the talk is about in DTP'ing. It's a
habit that is growing on me, and I'm being convinced to purchase PageStream,
but am also looking for something that will take full advantage of the Falcon
resolutions, mainly the 2 or 16 color mode with double lines off.
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Message 3 Sat Oct 09, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 08:38 EDT
Rodney,
Softlogik has said that they won't be doing any more Atari programming unless
Atari sells 100,000 Falcons in North America. Which does seem unlikely at
this point.
As for running PgS on the Falcon, my personal feeling is that you have to be
something of a masochist to do DTP work in anything but high resolution, and I
can't see the difference between ST and Falcon color resolutions being very
important. But then I've never seen a Falcon screen, so feel free to ignore
me.
gnox
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Message 4 Sat Oct 09, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 09:52 EDT
>>hang of 'DTP'ing'... now I see what all the talk is about in <<
>>DTP'ing. It's a habit that is growing on me, and I'm being <<
>>convinced to purchase PageStream, but am also looking for <<
>>something that will take full advantage of the Falcon <<
>>resolutions, mainly the 2 or 16 color mode with double lines off. <<
I am not sure where you got the idea that PageStream only worked on
the Falcon in compatibility modes. I saw no limitations on its use
on either the TT030 or the Falcon. Did I miss something?
>>be something of a masochist to do DTP work in anything but high <<
>>resolution, and I can't see the difference between ST and Falcon <<
>>color resolutions being very important. But then I've never seen <<
>>a Falcon screen, so feel free to ignore me. <<
Again, please tell me the difference between 640x480x16 and 'ST Hi
Res', other than that the Falcon lets you have 16 colors and MORE
resolution. What's going on here?
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Message 5 Sat Oct 09, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:27 EDT
All,
I use ST High mode on the TT a lot, and miss nothing, given the increased
redraw speed.
Al
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Message 6 Sun Oct 10, 1993
R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 00:37 EDT
Rodney -
You should consider not wht PageStream may be in the future but if it is
the program for you NOW. Even without an upgrade PGS 2.2 offers a lot of
power to the user. I am still learning the programs features, but have
been able to do some pretty good work under "crunch" conditions. I used
the tile feature to print out a California Bear two feet hight and more
than three feet long to transfer to a park booth at a fair and have had
great success doing flyers and brochures. I have been using my Falcon with
PGS with no trouble and I know that in the future, should I upgrade to a
color printer the Falcon and PGS combination will do fine color outprint.
Other than PGS the only other choice seems to be Calamus which many people
feel is better. Certainly the way it is put together in modules allows for
quick and easy upgrades, but I have heard nothing about a Falcon Specific
version of Calamus either. I passed on it because of the price. The major
rule of buying is suposed to be to look at the features and choose what you
need, not what you think a program might offer in the future. Good Luck
with your search for the perfect DTP. (:{ Grouch
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Message 7 Sun Oct 10, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou] at 16:30 EDT
Grouch,
Calamus is not only Falcon compatible, a special AUTO program included with
the last upgrade is specifically designed to improve color display. As for
price, DMC offered a generous trade in plan for any DTP and you keep your own
software. Feel free to drop into CAT 16 to ask any other questions you may
have about Calamus' features.
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Message 8 Mon Oct 11, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 04:35 EDT
>Rodney,
>
>Softlogik has said that they won't be doing any more Atari programming
unless
>Atari sells 100,000 Falcons in North America. Which does seem unlikely at
>this point.
>
>As for running PgS on the Falcon, my personal feeling is that you have to be
>something of a masochist to do DTP work in anything but high resolution, and
I
>can't see the difference between ST and Falcon color resolutions being very
>important. But then I've never seen a Falcon screen, so feel free to ignore
>me.
>
> gnox
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Hmmm, why all the doom and gloom about the Falcon? I have a feeling that the
100,000 mark of Falcon's selling is closer than what you think. (North
America sales)
So am looking forward to Softlogic getting back into updating PageStream again
soon.
I'm purchasing PageStream along with assorted fonts on my next trip to Mid-
Cities to get the Screen Blaster for the Falcon.
Rodney -------
Grouch,
I'm purchasing PageStream on my next run to Mid-Cities.
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Message 9 Tue Oct 12, 1993
T.MASON4 [Resa & Leigh] at 00:23 EDT
I used Patch22 to upgrade my PageStream 2.1 to 2.2. Where do I get the file to
upgrade to 2.2b?
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Message 10 Tue Oct 12, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 01:43 EDT
Resa & Leigh -
I don't recall there being a program to patch from 2.2 to 2.2b... If I
remember correctly, there was one to go from 2.1 to 2.2 and one to go from 2.1
to 2.2b. In any case, check the SoftLogik Roundtable.
m385
- T.J.
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Message 11 Tue Oct 12, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 04:01 EDT
R.BENNETT77 - Atari sells a lot more machines in Europe than they do in North
America, and European sales are nowhere near that much. Falcon030 sales are
substantially lower than what even Atari thought they would sell at a minimum -
- and NOT just in North America.
T.MASON4 - My understanding is that there IS only a 2.2b patch (if anyone has
an actual v2.2, they BOUGHT it as v2.2) that upgrades from v2.1 or v2.2 to
v2.2b. You may want to ask in the Soft-Logik RT.
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Message 12 Tue Oct 12, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 13:06 EDT
Re: Pagestream, Falcon Sales etc. My local Atari dealer Alex at ATY computer
says he's sold 40 Falcons so far. Don't how this would add up nation wide.
(I'm in the Berkeley/Oakland area of CA) - Tommy
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Message 13 Tue Oct 12, 1993
TQUINN [Terry~Sysop] at 18:43 EDT
The first 200 messages in this topic have been archived and are available in
Library 13 as file # 30365 (PSTREAM1.ARC). This archive covers the period
between November 6, 1992 and October 11, 1993.
Terry Quinn
ST RT Sysop and BBS Janitor
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Message 14 Wed Oct 13, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 02:47 EDT
Rodney,
Get Pagestream! It works just fine on the Falcon. The only thing is you
won't get more than 256 colors onscreen at one time (awwww). There is nothing
that the Falcon can do that Pagestream can't. Pagestream is written to handle
VDI calls and as such is limited to 256 colors onscreen. This does not limit
what you can output though. Pagestream is the BESt bang for the buck on ANY
computer! I have used PGS for 5 years and the program has gotten continually
better. The pagestream of today is amazing. If you have the will there is a
way with Pagestream. I fully support this program...
Off topic alert... Steve J is your name (DR. Hfuhruhurr) from "The Man With
Two Brains?"
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Message 15 Wed Oct 13, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 05:08 EDT
T.HEBEL - Yes.
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Message 16 Wed Oct 13, 1993
R.SCHILLING [Rob] at 22:59 EDT
T.J.
Is a file size of 342,308 indicative of 2.2 or 2.2b? I wasn't sure from your
post and didn't want to try the "hard" way.
Thanks for your help.
Rob
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Message 17 Thu Oct 14, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 00:22 EDT
>> Is a file size of 342,308 indicative of 2.2 or 2.2b? I wasn't <<
>>sure from your post and didn't want to try the "hard" way. <<
You have 2.2b.
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Message 18 Thu Oct 14, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 21:03 EDT
Rob,
342,308 = 2.2b
Matt
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Message 19 Thu Oct 14, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 23:44 EDT
Rob -
The file size 342,308 is indicative of 2.2b
(emphasis on the 'b').
- T.J.
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Message 20 Fri Oct 15, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 00:10 EDT
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 04:01 EDT
>
>R.BENNETT77 - Atari sells a lot more machines in Europe than they do in
North
>America, and European sales are nowhere near that much. Falcon030 sales are
>substantially lower than what even Atari thought they would sell at a
minimum -
>- and NOT just in North America.
>----------
> I'd like to know if this is 'fact' or is this your opinion? If fact, where
did you locate this information? I'd really like to know. It would seem what
I am reading in ST Applications (A Europeon Atari ST Magazine) is just the
opposite of what your stating. Maybe someone is not truthfully getting the
correct information out?
Rodney
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Message 21 Fri Oct 15, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 18:10 EDT
R.BENNETT77 - Well, the point that Atari's been selling a lot less Falcon030s
than they thought they would came from a quote from Sam Tramiel (sorry, I
don't have the source, but it wasn't STR! <grin>). Actually, I don't know how
the Falcon030 is doing in France, but it hasn't caused an influx of new users
and new dealers in Germany according to German Atari journalists. Based on
the British Atari mags, it's doing mediocre business there.
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Message 22 Sat Oct 23, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 10:37 EDT
Rodney,
Atari sell 100,000 Falcons in North America??? I'd be surprised to see them
sell that many =worldwide=, with their current marketing strategies!! Seems
to me, Softlogic's announcement is just another step in Atari's stroll toward
obscurity......
As to your read in ST Applications......trust me, I live in Europe, and get to
see all the ST mags. I also takl directly with a LOT of dealers here,
especially Germany and the UK. Atari's sales are down....way down. Their
marketing strategies here are no better than in the States. And the UK mags
you're reading are, by and large, cheerleading sections for the company,
seriously underwritten by advertising and other funding from Atari UK.
Reality, painful though it is, is that the Falcon is not going to save the
day, because it's yet another case of a brilliant machine being sold by a
company without a clue.
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Message 23 Sat Oct 23, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:18 EDT
Daniel,
Thanks for the Euro persepctive. What on earth is Atari thinking of? It's
obvious that any three of us, chosen at random, could do better. Is there a
grand plan?
Al
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Message 24 Sun Oct 24, 1993
C.CASSADAY [Chris C.] at 01:10 EDT
Al,
>Daniel,
>
>Thanks for the Euro persepctive. What on earth is Atari
>thinking of? It's obvious that any three of us, chosen at random,
>could do better. Is there a grand plan?
>
>Al
ROTFLMAO.
Chris
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Message 25 Mon Oct 25, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 12:07 EDT
PageStream 2.2b works fine on the Falcon. PageStream 2 was designed for use on
a multitasking, 256 color machine, whether it be an Amiga or an Atari. It's
100VDI compatible so Falcon users should have no problems using it. The one
limitation is that it only displays bitmapped pictures in black and white,
which is the same limitation as PageStream2 on the Amiga has. Structured
drawings are shown in 256 colors though.
The quote that we're waiting for Atari to sell 100,000 computers before we'll
do PageStream3 for the Atari is utterly false. Even if Atari was selling a
million computers a month we would not start work on 3.0 yet. It makes no
sense to write code on two machines concurrently (unless you have programmers
to spare like Microsoft. ;-) When we're done with the Amiga version, we'll
take a look at the Atari market and make a decision on whether to port it to
the Atari. We only have so many programmers, and we don't have enough to do it
on two platforms simultaneously.
Remember, we would love to do an Atari version of PageStream3. Our offices are
filled with Atari computers, our tech support people know the Atari inside and
out. Our programmers know all the tricks and are used to working on Atari
computers. We know the distributors, the dealers, the user groups. If it makes
financial sense to do an Atari 3.0, we will, because we don't have to make a
huge capital investment to do it. But as I've said before, it all depends on
Atari's market situation when we're ready to make that decision.
In the meantime, enjoy using 2.2. I use 2.2 everyday and it's a very usable
desktop publishing program. Just because we're working on 3.0 doesn't mean
it's no longer a useful program. I have to write the 3.0 manual in 2.2,
obviously, and it's a great program to use. The thousands of users who have
made it the best-selling DTP program for the Atari and Amiga seem to like it,
and I do too.
Cheers,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 26 Mon Oct 25, 1993
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 23:03 EDT
Micheal
>in the meantime. . . >made it the best . . . >and I do too.
Here here!
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Message 27 Tue Oct 26, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 03:31 EDT
Michael:
I love PageStream too. Just bought another one for a friend.
David <><
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Message 28 Tue Oct 26, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:55 EDT
Chris, re PageStream 2.2,
> >in the meantime. . . >made it the best . . . >and I do too.
>
> Here here!
I think you mean "Hear, hear!" - my sentiments exactly.
And I'm glad to hear that the 100,000-Falcon-sales figure is not the bottom
line.
gnox
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Message 29 Tue Oct 26, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 10:11 EDT
Agreed....great Program. But I suuuuuuuure wish you guys would fix the
desktop-colors bug in 2.2.......
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Message 30 Tue Oct 26, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 23:38 EDT
I would Definitely upgrade to a PageStream 3! I have been using PS since it
was Publishing Partner. I bought a TT just to get the most out of PageStream.
I would like to see Hot Links and RTF. Also multi-tasking printing.
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Message 31 Wed Oct 27, 1993
T.THEDELL [todo 2] at 18:05 EDT
Agree, a great program {now that I have 2.5M memory}. Can you believe the
difference in printing time from 1.x to 2.2? I look forward to 3 in the
[near] future
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Message 32 Wed Oct 27, 1993
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 22:49 EDT
Oops, well excuse my French!
Ey Gniox I guess I did mean 'ear 'ear!
Regardless, there isn't a DTP package on any platform that does it all with as
much greatest of ease and at such a frugal price.
I'll take 3!
Chris.
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Message 33 Thu Oct 28, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 01:16 EDT
Yup, I'd upgrade to PGS3 in a second, myself.
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Message 34 Thu Oct 28, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 06:00 EDT
So would I!!!
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Message 35 Thu Oct 28, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 13:33 EDT
Me too.
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Message 36 Thu Oct 28, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 19:41 EDT
Well, here's another vote for PgS 3 for the Atari!
Matt
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Message 37 Fri Oct 29, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 14:30 EDT
Can I vote twice? :-)
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Message 38 Fri Oct 29, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 22:55 EDT
I'll put my vote in for version 3.
Frank
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Message 39 Sat Oct 30, 1993
T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 01:05 EDT
Chalk me up for a copy of v3.0.
-Tom
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Message 40 Sat Oct 30, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 11:33 EDT
I'd pay full price for 3.0. I've been able to do things with PageStream that
make PC users and Mac users scratch their head and think, "I paid HOW much?"
Recently I did some DTP work for a friend; when I told them I was using an
Atari computer to do it they were completely floored.
Besides that, I just find PageStream very easy to use. Sure, it's got a few
quirks, but 95% of it just makes _sense_... something many other packages
would do well to imitate.
-dmj
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Message 41 Sat Oct 30, 1993
B.JENSEN1 [BJ] at 19:40 EDT
If version 3.0 comes out you can count on me paying the upgrade fee!
BJ
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Message 42 Sun Oct 31, 1993
R.BEATTY3 [Buffalo Bob] at 02:42 EST
SL-DEV [Michael]
Glad to hear that PageStream 3 is still a possibility on the ST. I'll make
sure you sell a lot in Hawaii...
C'mon, Michael; throw the dogs a bone! Howz about an RTF module to keep us
happy. Puh-lease!
Bob Beatty Neutronics Honolulu, HI
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Message 43 Sun Oct 31, 1993
R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 19:31 EST
I'll buy 3.0 and I wont even (:{ Grouch about it!
(:{ The Grouch.
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Message 44 Sun Oct 31, 1993
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 20:33 EST
Well now look at what I have started, lets see, if I count right, 1+1+1+?=a
whole bunch of satisfied pagestream users on the Atari platform.
Fact is Pagestream is the best Postscript DTP package available, for the Atari
platform, might be the only one available.
The question is what will we be using this time next year if Softlogik does
not continue to upgrade it. Personally, I can't see myself using 2.2b 6 months
from now and there doesn't seem to be another postscript DTP package out there
for the Atari.
Although the current version is pretty powerfull and (lets face it) lagging a
little bit in full colour support, the DTP industry will soon leave it way
behind without a major upgrade like 3.0.
Without this upgrade or the release of a new product better than Pagestream,
DTP on the Atari will be nothing but a hobby.
I personally earn a living with this package and would strongly urge all users
of pagestream to speak out and let Softlogik know how and what they feel.
Chris Krowchuk @ Combined Graphics Design & Print
Edmonton, Canada.
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Message 45 Sun Oct 31, 1993
BILL-CDACE [Bill [CDACE]] at 22:58 EST
Just for the record we use a 4 meg STe and PageStream 2.2b to produce several
hundred pages of newsletters, program announcements, tournament booklets
annually. We have been using PageStream - EXCLUSSIVELY - for years (actually
began with Publishing Partner) to do our inhouse DTP.
As a user I cant quibble about the financial decisions you make but as an end
user who has paid 'full freight' at every stop along the PageStream 'adventure
in Atariland' I would welcome the opportunity to purchase a more advanced
version of PageStream.
BTW we have been sending SL copies of our newsletters for years - does anyone
ever look through the mail at stuff your users send you? I have never heard a
word or seen an acknowledgement??
Bill Silverman, for the Bethlehem Soccer Club
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Message 46 Mon Nov 01, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 00:35 EST
Chris,
I think what you started (upgrade frenzy) would be mathematically described as
follows:
Infinity
___
\ n
/__
n=1
- T.J.
P.S. ASCII really sucks for trying to put down formulas...
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Message 47 Mon Nov 01, 1993
L.TRAPANI [Lou @Machine] at 23:32 EST
DMJ,
Very true! I have been spoiled on the Atari platform. When I use
QuarkXpress or other DTP packages on other platforms, I am sometimes amazed
over the basic features that I take for granted on the Atari platform are not
included in the "industry standard" DTP wares.
For example, let's take QuarkXpress. This along with PageMaker are
considered "industry standards" when it comes to DTP work. Meanwhile, Quark
does NOT have any fill patterns, it only magnifies up to 400%, you can not
change the grid size, only imports about 6 different file types, hmmmm what
else? I know there is more, but I just mentioned what came to my mind first.
Of course there are things that Quark does that are a little better than the
Atari platform. But for an "industry standard" I was amazed to find how many
features it lacked which are easily found in PageStream for example.
I would upgrade my PageStream to version 3 as well. I hope that Soft-
Logik decides to upgrade the Atari version.
-= Lou T. =-
Written: Monday, November 01, 1993 10:26 p.m. EST
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Message 48 Tue Nov 02, 1993
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 00:09 EST
I think a lot of folks are missing the point.
I'm sure many owners would upgrade were 3.0 available. What Soft-Logik has
said is that they need NEW potential customers.
Were Soft-Logik to provide 3.0 just for 2.2b owners the cost would be
prohibitive. They need new customers and that requires Atari to sell to new
customers.
I wonder how many Falcons were sold to present Atari owners and how many to
new Atari customers?
Mike Allen
ST HelpDesk~Sysop
Written: 9:50 PM Mountain Time
Monday, November 1, 1993
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Message 49 Tue Nov 02, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 00:21 EST
Lou -
In the interest of fairness, Quark express doesn't come with any fill patterns
"out of the box" but it has a bazillion available through both third party and
Quark direct. Also, there are extra file import drivers available free of
charge (I'm fairly sure... This is also true with PageStream).
Also, Quark handles color MUCH better than any other package in its class
(PageStream included).
Nevertheless, PGS is MUCH less 'spensive.
- T.J.
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Message 50 Tue Nov 02, 1993
S.DEITZ [Steve] at 05:50 EST
Taking votes for a v3.0? Count me in!
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Message 51 Tue Nov 02, 1993
B.MENAGH [Bill] at 18:50 EST
Meto for PGS3!!! Bill
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Message 52 Tue Nov 02, 1993
R.SCHILLING [Rob] at 22:26 EST
Dittos. I'd even pay $200 for the upgrade. I love pagestream.
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Message 53 Wed Nov 03, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 19:36 EST
Bill: we do receive the newsletters and someone enters into our database that
they have been received, to keep your user group current with us. If the
person doing this thinks that a particular issue is neat, it gets passed
around the office. Otherwise, it gets filed. We receive a couple of hundred
newsletters each month, so nobody has time to read them all. I can't even keep
up with the magazines anymore.
Cheers,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 54 Thu Nov 04, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 21:25 EST
ALGORHYTM DanielKeller,
>Atari sell 100,000 Falcons in North America??? I'd be surprised to see them
>sell that many =worldwide=, with their current marketing strategies!! Seems
>to me, Softlogic's announcement is just another step in Atari's stroll
toward
>obscurity......
>
>As to your read in ST Applications......trust me, I live in Europe, and get
to
>see all the ST mags. I also takl directly with a LOT of dealers here,
>especially Germany and the UK. Atari's sales are down....way down. Their
>marketing strategies here are no better than in the States. And the UK mags
>you're reading are, by and large, cheerleading sections for the company,
>seriously underwritten by advertising and other funding from Atari UK.
>Reality, painful though it is, is that the Falcon is not going to save the
>day, because it's yet another case of a brilliant machine being sold by a
>company without a clue.
>----------
I don't recall stating that the Falcon is going to 'save the day'. I
am not a bussiness man, so marketing is not my bag. I can not say that the
way Atari or for that matter any corperation goes about advertising their
products is good or bad. All I know is that it costs a pretty penny (few) to
advertise a product. But I agree word of mouth can only carry the words of
Atari so far, and believe me, I've spoken it to alot of people, and showed off
to alot of people, otherwise had no clue that Atari was still around.
(Call'em coming out of the closet types... just a joke people) I've even
convinced a few into even purchasing. Off this topic...
I guess what your saying is that most if not all Atari Related Magazines are
just cheerleading and that there is no truth in what they print?!? I don't
think so... you sound like Ralph... opps. Anyway that you have the full scoop
of the full story, which is somewhat alot different than what is being
reported.
Would you call Jerry Pournelle regular column in Byte Magazine a 'cheerleading
section' for Atari? I don't think so. Look in Byte Magazine November 1993,
page 336. 'Atari pretty well owns the popular music field, with Amiga its
only serious rival' This is small stuff, but coming from Pournelle, it's good
stuff.
On the topic... about 100,000 Falcon's being sold before Soft-Logik would even
consider upgrading/updating PageStream, I guess they have their own
Roundtable and the true answers will be found there.
---
SL-DEV Michael,
Disregard the last paragraph. Thanks for the 100,000 number false rumor! I'm
glad that PageStream works the way it does. I had bought a complete system
from someone that had decided to abandon the ST scene, and he had PageStream
2.2, I got a pretty good deal overall, $400 dollars for a 1040ST with 1 Meg,
Tos 1.0, SC1224 monitor and a few software packages other than PageStream. I
just recently installed in on my newly purchased Falcon and my wife has used
it more than I have for her school. If I can get away from playing around
with the Falcon's Music Recording capablities and start something serious with
PageStream, I am sure I'll find it just as exciting!
I'm looking forward on some additional answers regarding these questions:
What other accessories or programs would enhance the capiblities of
PageStream?
Again, thanks for the clarification of this false rumour of Soft-Logic just
giving up on the Atari Market.
C.KROWWCHUK1; CHRIS,
As you can see from the above message, I kinda cheated the system alittle when
I recieved PageStream with a purchase of an old 1040ST, which by the way does
not work to well on a 1 Meg machine with additional accessories installed
etc... But bought a Falcon030 and installed it and it works fantastic
according to my wife. I would be paying full price on PageStream 3.0 if/when
it becomes available, just for the wife. (kinda late asking for it to be
available for Xmas huh? :-]) Anyway count me in on the purchase of it also!
I don't even 'make my living' with it. :-)
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Message 55 Thu Nov 04, 1993
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 22:13 EST
Actually, I think that a lot of folks are missing the point,
the difference of opinion here is the folks.
I bought my DTP set up from the advice of developers like softlogik. Every
answer to my question. . . "Which platform?" was answered with comments such
as . . . Choose your software first and foremost, then choose the platform
that you prefer. This comment has been and still is being passed as recently
as 2 months ago in this topic.
A lot of people that I know took this advice, some skipped out on the platform
and bought different software because they found that the software was not
keeping up with the rest of the industry.
Other die-hards, like ourselves, continue to plug away with new found hope.
Every once in a while we lose one or two and they are not being replaced. How
long can we hang on?
So, we all purchased the software and then picked the hardware we felt was
best, in short we did what is still recommended as the best route to follow.
The problem is that the software companies are now saying that the hardware
companies have to sell more new machines before they will write new software,
sorry folks but if I am going to buy a new DTP system, I am going to decide on
the software first.
I don't believe anyone considering the Atari for DTP will consider it very
long when they see the software offerings available. It is a catch 22 of
sorts, however I believe that the software has to be there before the Hardware
will be sold.
Holding my breath till Springtime!
Chris Krowchuk @ Combined Graphics Design & Print
Edmonton Canada.
BTW>>> A note to the sysops of softligik, there is a typo on your
library heading. Softligik. <grin>
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Message 56 Thu Nov 04, 1993
B.ZAWALSKI1 [BobZ] at 23:26 EST
Hi. I've been coping with a page-number anomaly with Atari Pgstream v2.1 for
some time now. It's no big deal, but I'd be happier to solve this than to
keep coping.
I've got several form letters (aka "templates") that are ONE page long, but
which the "print" pop-up believes are 65000+ pages. If I type " [alternate] p
"; "[return]", pagestream prints reams of blank pages! I've been coping by
editing the "from - to" fields.
Moving EVERYTHING from the masterpage to page 1 did not help.
Any ideas ? Hint: Some (all??) of these form letters were created using
earlier releases (1.5, 1.8). I'm using a Deskjet 500 and the deskjet.prt [1034
bytes; 4-16-92 ; 5:52pm ] driver.
Any help is appreciated.
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Message 57 Fri Nov 05, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:17 EST
BobZ,
> I've been coping by editing the "from - to" fields.
That's how it's done ... you could set up a macro to make it a little easier
though.
> Moving EVERYTHING from the masterpage to page 1 did not help.
I think if you save the document with nothing on the master page and
everything on page one, then open it at the beginning of a session, you'll
find the print dialog preset to "from 1 to 1". The numbers in those fields
are persistent through a PageStream session - that's why moving everything to
page 1 wouldn't change them, but if you print with 1 to 1 once the fields
should stay that way for subsequent printing jobs in that session. (Phew!)
gnox
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Message 58 Fri Nov 05, 1993
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 23:56 EST
Bob Zawalski;
The printer driver is probably not your problem, try using the delete page
command and typing in from page 2 to 65,000+. You may have accidentally set
the doc length at that size.
You should upgrade to 2.2b, the patch is available somewhere up here and also
you should upgrade your drivers after upgrading the program. The drivers are
available on Softlogik's board.
Chris @ Combined Graphics Design & Print
Edmonton, Canada.
"Home of the Minnesota Americans!"
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Message 59 Fri Nov 05, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 23:59 EST
gnox !
>I think if you save the document with nothing on the master page and
>everything on page one, then open it at the beginning of a session, you'll
>find the print dialog preset to "from 1 to 1". The numbers in those fields
>are persistent through a PageStream session - that's why moving everything
to
>page 1 wouldn't change them,but if you print with 1 to 1 once the fields
>should stay that way for subsequent printing jobs in that session. (Phew!)
>
> gnox
>
Say that 3 times fast! <G>
Matt
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Message 60 Sat Nov 06, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 03:17 EST
Chris - You asked what would enhance Pagestream. Outburst speeds printout by
quite a bit. - Tommy
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Message 61 Sat Nov 06, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 07:55 EST
Rodney,
I think you're missing my point. I also think that you're taking a pretty
defensive posture regarding Atari, and though you may be within rights to do
so, it's hardly necessary, I'm a long-time user, I have always believed in
the machine, and continue to do so. But as far as the company, sorry, I stand
by what I've said. Jerry Pournelli may indeed have written that Atari owns
the music market. All it takes to write something is the willingness of a
magazine to print it. I have worked in the music industry for over 20 years.
I would venture to say that I've been inside a =lot= more studios than Jerry.
The ratio of Atari's to Macs and PC's is about 1:20 in Europe (and shrinking),
and about 1:50 (at best) in the U.S.
If you pick up any of the leading Atari magazines in the UK, and you examine
the bylines of the editorial staff, you'll find Atari people en masse. Of
course, this makes sense....who wants to read about Atari from IBM people.
Point is, though, that most of them garner the lion's share of their income
from association with Atari. It's problematic, then, that they'd tend to not
be so unbiased. All that said, even these people are aware of the problems of
the company.
I =never= implied that they're printing lies...like I said, I believe in the
machine.....but the reality of the support base is that it IS shrinking...and
Atari is to blame. The machine is not inferior, but how long will people hang
on?
I've also worked with a number of Atari-based programmers and companies, and
have rarely heard a kind word for Atari. On the contrary, the industry is
full of horror stories about indifference, incompetence, uncooperativeness,and
rudeness bordering on hostility.
Sorry if you don't like my point of view, but I think that Atari will only
sell 100,000 Falcons if they remove the Atari name and contract out another
company to market, distribute, and supply tech support. They have proved time
and time again that they can make a great computer, but they have no idea what
to do with it.
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Message 62 Sat Nov 06, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 10:45 EST
Daniel,
So true, so true.
Al
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Message 63 Sat Nov 06, 1993
L.TRAPANI [Lou @Machine] at 23:19 EST
T.J.,
True. There are many features in Quark that make it a pleasure to use.
And you are right that there are extensions ("plug-ins") for it that add many
features. But I guess my point is that I have been spoiled by the Atari market
where I can spend under $200 for a package like PageStream and get so many
features right out of the box. My intent was really not to knock Quark as a
product, but rather the price of it compared to some of the basic features
that I come to expect in the Atari platform with software packages costing
much less.
I really do believe that we come to accept these high prices on
software in the Mac and PC platforms where we should not. Far too many of of
these software packages on these platforms are way overpriced. It is just
outrageous. Plain and simple.
-= Lou T. =-
Written: Saturday, November 06, 1993 10:54 p.m. EST
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Message 64 Sun Nov 07, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 01:46 EST
But Lou...
Look at how big most of the apps are on the other platforms. How much HD
space they take up... All that code is expensive! <GGG>
Matt
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Message 65 Sun Nov 07, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 09:43 EST
Lou,
Actually, developing for the Atari requires less work than developing for the
Mac or PC. While I can't say for sure about the Mac (I've only _heard_ of the
horror stories) I can definitely say that the PC is a nightmare to develop
for. Microsoft and Intel have done more to cripple the PC than anyone else,
and I'm telling you, writing programs for the PC takes _effort_. I used to
think PC software was VERY overpriced; after experiencing some of the
[migraine] headaches involved in PC development, I just think it's overpriced.
You gotta hand it to Soft-Logik, though--they pack a helluva lot of stuff into
PageStream, and don't ask for a lot to get it. They also don't sell you a
stripped-down package and coax you into buying "modules" to complete it.
-dmj
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Message 66 Sun Nov 07, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 18:27 EST
Rodney: you asked for recommendations for improving your setup. You said you
just upgraded to a Falcon, but you don't say what kind of monitor/video mode
you use. We strongly recommend using a high-resolution mode. 640x200 isn't
very readable for DTP. Check in our roundtable for more advice on accessories.
Chris: re "Softligik" library heading. Actually, I just noticed that last
week! ;-) That's probably been there since 1986 or so. I also noticed that the
library descriptions all talked about Publishing Partner instead of
PageStream. ;-) And since most of us operate GEnie without the menus on, we
never saw the mis-spelled library header. Now if we can just figure out how to
change the library header, we'd do it. (If you think GEnie user commands are
arcane, you should see the sysop commands. GEnie's software is, well I
shouldn't say that or I'll get in trouble with the authorities. ;-)
Bob: I've never seen that particular problem, but obviously the file thinks
there is some object on a page higher than the maximum page number, so it
tries to print all the pages. You can try a couple of things. Choose Delete
Page and try to delete the range (page 2 to 65535 or whatever). If that
doesn't work, your only solution is to copy everything on the page and paste
it into a new document.
Cheers,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 67 Mon Nov 08, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 20:59 EST
Matt,
Those PC programs surelove to take up Hard Drive space. I think if they
were compiled they would run faster and take up less space...<grin>
running and ducking...
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Message 68 Mon Nov 08, 1993
D.ELLIS16 [* AeroStar *] at 21:21 EST
Add my vote for PageStream 3. I love PS2!
>>>>>----------> *
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Message 69 Mon Nov 08, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 21:40 EST
DanielKeller,
Your point of view is well taken. If you think I am standing on the
'defensive posture' regarding Atari, well... there are two sides to every
coin. I am not a programmer, nor am I involved at all in any way on how to
tell a company on how to run their bussiness, nor do I really care. As long
as they continue to support ME with their products, that is all that matters.
Yes, I stand on a defensive side, but understand (somewhat) your point of
view. If I were involved in the computer bussiness then I'd better understand
your view... right? :-) All I know is that I have an excellent machine
compared to what I work with day and day out at work. The software that I
have purchased for it does what it claims to do and enhances the machine
itself. I'm looking forward to those upcoming releases by Oregon Research and
the likes.
I'm happy with it (The Falcon), and on the company side, well... it would seem
that majority agree with your point of view. I just don't know or keep track
of what Atari Corp does or doesn't do.
Rodney
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Message 70 Tue Nov 09, 1993
R.PERRY4 [Randy] at 00:06 EST
To L.TRAPALI
>Far too many of of these software packages...are way overpriced<
I read something, I believe in MacWorld, about software companies needing to
charge outrageously high prices in order to be taken seriously in the market,
not because they thought the software was worth it.
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Message 71 Tue Nov 09, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 19:11 EST
Randy,
To a certain extent that is true; it is possible to have "too low" a price.
However, that "too low" is -W-A-Y- below what the programs actually cost.
That's a personal opinion, of course.
-dmj
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Message 72 Tue Nov 09, 1993
B.JENSEN1 [BJ] at 21:17 EST
I can't import text. I have all the
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Message 73 Wed Nov 10, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 22:08 EST
SL-DEV * Michael,
I've ran PageStream in ST High Compatable and in Falcon 2 Color Mode,
also have tryed it in both 16 and 256 color modem with Double Lines OFF and it
works in all these modes without any problems whatsoever. I am using a
MultiScan Color Monitor, I don't have th specs handy but it does support all
the ST and Falcon resolutions.
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Message 74 Fri Nov 12, 1993
L.TRAPANI [Lou @Machine] at 00:38 EST
DMJ,
Yes, I will have to agree with you. SoftLogik gives you a nice
complete package with a nice price tag. There is no need to buy other things
for it once you have (even comes with a nice collection of fonts to get you up
and going with it). In fact, the only thing I had to add to PageStream was
when I replaced my laser printer with a post script laser printer, I added the
screen fonts to match the resident fonts within my printer from Softlogik. But
that "add-on" was only $10 and well worth it.
But as good as PageStream is, and as complete it as it is right now, I
still like the features that version 3 would offer and would definitely
upgrade to version 3 if there is ever one to upgrade to on the Atari platform.
And DMJ, you think PageStream is good on an ST, you should see it on a TT!
Randy,
>I read something, I believe in MacWorld, about software companies needing to
>charge outrageously high prices in order to be taken seriously in the
market,
>not because they thought the software was worth it.
Yikes, now that is silly! But the magazine is probably right that it
probably does play some part in the over inflated prices of software on the
other platforms.
-= Lou T. =-
Written: Thursday, November 11, 1993 11:42 p.m. EST
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Message 75 Fri Nov 12, 1993
CBARRON at 03:21 EST
Loo - Pgs and a TT agreed. I have spent a fortune on image handling software.
Could have bought two or three pagestreams for what I paid for software to
create and manipulate the data for pagestream.
On 'foriegn' prices it might be silly but it has been proven to be true.
someone sold some pc product at $50-poor to zero sales, same product different
name and packaging at $350 was a hit. I forget which one it was but it was a
biggie.
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Message 76 Sat Nov 13, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 10:27 EST
To All,
HELP - I need to loacate a source to purchase (steal,beg,borrow,use), a ATF
font named "Commercial Script". I possibly could us a PD font that is similar
but would have to be very close as I need it for a client's logo. I have also
posted a similar message in the Soft-Logik Roundtable. I do own this font in
Calamus SL but need one for Pagestream. Soft-Logic used to carry this font but
has dropped it. Thanks in advance,,,,,,
Frank
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Message 77 Sun Nov 14, 1993
CBARRON at 01:20 EST
MegaType has a pgs <-> calamus cvtr. prog. if that is the resort. It also
goes to & from .ecf files.... keyboard makes specifics hard to type....
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Message 78 Sun Nov 14, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 03:01 EST
CBARRON,
Would that prg be Fontverter? If so, do you have an adress, phone no. etc?
Will it run on a TT?
Frank
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Message 79 Sun Nov 14, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:08 EST
Frank,
The PD font Author is a clone of Commercial Script. If you can't find it in
the libraries here or on p. 385, I could send it to you - I have it on one of
the I-Koen disks.
re Fontverter, call Don Turnock (Megatype) at 219 288 7468 (evenings). I'm
sure it will run on the TT.
gnox
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Message 80 Sun Nov 14, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 12:16 EST
gnox,
Thanks for all the info on the font as well as Fontverter. I'll try to locate
the font today and call Megatype tommorow to try and chase everything down. If
I cannot locate the font I will let let you know.
I sure appreciate all the help in this Topic as well as others.
Frank
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Message 81 Mon Nov 15, 1993
M.MASTALER [Mike] at 01:29 EST
Chris:.... An excellent 'add-on' to PGS is PAGE ASSISTANT. It is a desk acc.
and is basically a GEM based online manual. If you have a problem with PGS,
you go up aand click on Page assistant to get answers quick I recommend it
highly. Mike
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Message 82 Tue Nov 16, 1993
D.BRYANT12 [DAN BRYANT] at 02:36 EST
I am considering the purchase of an Epson Stylus 800. Anyone have experience
with it? Is there a PGS print driver for it?
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Message 83 Wed Nov 17, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 06:19 EST
Another vote for Page Assistant!
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Message 84 Sun Nov 28, 1993
G.FUQUAY [GGF] at 08:46 EST
Why does Outburst not support the Atari Laser? That seems like an oversight to
me.
GGF
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Message 85 Sun Nov 28, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou] at 10:24 EST
GGF, the Atari laser runs off the DMA port and is already provides very quick
print times.
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Message 86 Sun Nov 28, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 14:20 EST
Gary,
Hardly an oversight. The Atari laser printer doesn't NEED
outburst, it receives its data from the DMA channel, and doesn't need
a speedup.
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Message 87 Sun Nov 28, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 15:23 EST
GGF,
OutBurst works by changing how your computer talks to the parallel port. The
original routines in TOS that handle the parallel port weren't designed with
DTP in mind, but OutBurst's are. The Atari laser is a DMA printer--it
connects to a different port--so OutBurst can't do a whole lot with it. It's
not an oversight.
-dmj
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Message 88 Sun Nov 28, 1993
S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 18:13 EST
I use a pagestream on a MSTE, printing to a Deskjet printer.
What utilities should I use to speed up the printing?
Thanks,
Sanjay.
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Message 89 Mon Nov 29, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 00:43 EST
Sanjay -
I'm told OutBurst is excellent for DeskJet speedups from PGS. One of these
days I oughtta buy 'burst and find out for myself... But I'm told it's 2-3
times faster.
I always wished PGS would've supported an FPU... that would increase speeds
too, but alas, no FPU support.
- T.J.
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Message 90 Mon Nov 29, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 15:12 EST
When you are using the drawing tools, how do you erase? (Or can you?)
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Message 91 Mon Nov 29, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 19:58 EST
>>When you are using the drawing tools, how do you erase? (Or can <<
>>you?) <<
You can erase the line, or shape, you just drew using Undo, or you
can select it and hit 'delete'. If you want to erase just a part of
a shape, or line, just go over it with a background color, with no
transparent attribute. Bad aspect of that is that this erasure takes
up ram..
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Message 92 Tue Nov 30, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 02:32 EST
I'm trying to run Pagestream in color on a Mega STe but I'm only getting black
and white on the color monitor at medium rez. I have the Drivers Path set at
D:\PGSTREAM\DRIVERS\*.* I also tried it with COLOR.PAL at the end, but same
thing. I've tried having the COLOR CPX on and off. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks - Tommy
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Message 93 Tue Nov 30, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 05:01 EST
T.DUNBAR2 - If you have the latest version of PageStream (v2.2b), there is a
bug in it which ALWAYS loads it with a black desktop in medium resolution.
The toolbox is also a little messed up in medium resolution.
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Message 94 Tue Nov 30, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 10:29 EST
Why no FPU support: here's my layman's explanation (since I'm a layman ;-)
680x0 processors do slow floating point math (at least compared to something
like a powerpc), hence the desire to have a FPU. Since most Atari computers
don't have FPU's, we decided to skip the whole problem and use integer math.
This is very fast. There is no need for an FPU version of PageStream.
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 95 Tue Nov 30, 1993
S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 20:54 EST
Michael,
I have to disagree...
I too am a layman. However, to say that there is no _need_ for a FPU version
of pagestream is almost like sticking your head in the sand. Certainly, if you
compare to the power PC, the 680x0 processors may be slow. Bear in mind you
are comparing them to tomorrows technology and that increasing numbers of
atari users have 680x0 FPUs. Surely the fact that pagestream is such a slow
program alone warrents the provision for the use of a FPU.
No offence intended, but you cannot say that.
Thanks,
Sanjay.
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Message 96 Tue Nov 30, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 23:27 EST
Tommy,
If I remember correctly... once PgS boots up, (in med rez) you have to select
the Global option and then go into Change Screen Colors. This will allow you
to have different colors on screen.
I don't believe PgS will show graphics in color, though.
Due to that bug mentioned earlier, even if you save the settings for the
colors onscreen, I think it will still boot up to B&W.
I might be wrong about this, as I use a Mono monitor for DTP. I'm sure
someone will correct me if I am.
Hope this helps,
Matt
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Message 97 Tue Nov 30, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 23:28 EST
Sanjay,
You're missing the point. FPUs do _floating_point_ math. PageStream does not
_use_ floating point math. Therefore the addition of an FPU would do nothing
to help PageStream. Furthermore, even with an FPU, I believe integer math
(which is what PageStream uses) is still faster. Therefore, rewriting
PageStream to use floating point math (so it can use an FPU) would make it
slower, not faster.
-dmj
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Message 98 Tue Nov 30, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:53 EST
Michael,
True, 68000 and 68030 processors are slow at FP math, but the
68040 is a whiz it at. And even integer math is faster with some
FPUs. What would REALLY be nice is ability to use the fast integer
math ability of the DSP in the Falcon. Would make things like
scaling, and rotations VERY fast.. Maybe if Atari wakes up and SELLS
some Falcons, SL can put the time into supporting it. As it is now,
I can easily understand why this is not being done.
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Message 99 Wed Dec 01, 1993
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 02:23 EST
dmj,
One point that many people miss is that Motorola FPUs (68881,68882), unlike
Intel FPUs (80x87) also do trancendental functions. In particular the Sin,
Cos and Tan functions could be really useful for rotating text, etc.
In general, however, using integer math instead of floating point is going to
be faster even with the FPU unless some really convoluted programming is
necessary to make use of integer math.
Mike Allen
ST HelpDesk~Sysop
Written: 10:52 PM Mountain Time
Tuesday, November 30, 1993
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Message 100 Wed Dec 01, 1993
G.FUQUAY [GGF] at 19:27 EST
LOU, RON, DMJ,
I stand humbly corrected, and bow to your collective knowledge. I just thought
that anything that would make the Atari laser even more nimble than it is
would be nice!
RON,
Fancy meeting you here!
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Message 101 Wed Dec 01, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 19:36 EST
Mike,
Guess I put my foot in my mouth again. I'd forgotten that there's more to
integer math than mere addition (which wouldn't be faster with an FPU).
Multiplication is faster, though, and division as well. And I didn't know
about the transcendental functions--but transcendental functions aren't always
necessary. Spin Dry, for example, rotates with nothing more complicated than
addition, subtraction, and division.
-dmj
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Message 102 Wed Dec 01, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 20:53 EST
Tommy/Matt,
I am using a TT30 and use Pagestream with color in TT med rez with no problem.
Tommy, when you go to global you can change the screen colors just as Matt
said and you also can click on default and it will boot with the colors.
You can use colors in Pagestream graphics as long as they are .EPS and I also
beleive you can us colors with .GEM files, mmmmmmm, now I have to try it on
GEM and CVG. You can also append your color palette with other palettes, then
graphics created inside of Pagestream can be used with fill Patterns and shown
in colors you wish, shades by percent also are available.
Frank
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Message 103 Wed Dec 01, 1993
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:07 EST
Matt & Tommy...
After saving the color defaults in PgS on my TT, I've not had any problems
with the program not booting in color. It only boots in monochrome if the
user hasn't set those global defaults.
John T.
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Message 104 Thu Dec 02, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 00:14 EST
>> I am using a TT30 and use Pagestream with color in TT med rez <<
>>with no problem. Tommy, when you go to global you can change the <<
>>screen colors just as Matt said and you also can click on default <<
>>and it will boot with the colors. <<
The problem exists ONLY in ST Medium. The TT and Falcon modes should
work as intended, but the color sets will NOT save in ST Medium..
sigh.
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Message 105 Thu Dec 02, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 02:50 EST
DMJ -
I have to believe that rotation, calculation, and redraws, would be faster
using an FPU and fp arithmetic (as opposed to Integer arith), if only because
the integer arithmetic would have to be REALLY complex to replace (reasonably)
the floating point stuff that is obviously involved in drawing curves (ever
look at an integer based parabola? I didn't think so...)
- T.J.
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Message 106 Sat Dec 04, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 01:42 EST
Either way, if the software can utiltize the FPU at some point during it's
operation... the better IMHO.
This also goes out to the folks at SoftLogic... I hope this is enough
according to ST Informer you guys are requiring a write in campaign for 'us'
DTP'ers or wanna be's to encourage you to continue development and the release
of the 3.0 version of PageStream. I for one and my wife would appreiate your
continued support and would purchase the 3.0 version. I must admit I would
really like to know what 'improvement' that you intend to incorperate in this
version if you don't mind?
Rodney
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Message 107 Sat Dec 04, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 03:14 EST
Ya'll - I called Soft-Logik and they told me that Pagestream won't run in
color on a Mega STe. Oh well... :-( - Tommy
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Message 108 Sat Dec 04, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:29 EST
Rodney,
If you look in the Softlogik RT (page 385), you'll find a complete list of the
features in PgS3 (the Amiga version) - the Atari version, if it ever happens,
would be similar. There's also a topic for PgS3 in the DTP RT.
gnox
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Message 109 Sat Dec 04, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 09:01 EST
Soft Logik folks-
>Ya'll - I called Soft-Logik and they told me that Pagestream won't run in
>color on a Mega STe. Oh well... :-( - Tommy
Won't run in color on the Mega STe at all? Or do you mean in the standard ST
rez's? Will it run in TT Medium ala the AlberTT card, or another graphic
card?
Mega STe with 4 megs and TOS 2.05 is the machine in question.
Thanks,
Matt
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Message 110 Sat Dec 04, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 09:26 EST
I don't know who told you that PageStream will not run on a MSTE in
color because they are WRONG! It works just fine except for the color
bug in ST Medium. You will see what I mean if you boot it up. Trust
me, I know it will run. Whoever you talked to doesn't know what they
are talking about.
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Message 111 Sun Dec 05, 1993
CBARRON at 01:49 EST
Huh, works with all else! Great im TTmed tos 3.06, ok st med tos 1.62,
worked with 1.0, wierd imdeed. Someth'g is missumderstood here. I do mot
believe that there is much illegal code im pgs. [some maybe, !serious stuff.
it rums, out of the box, om all the computers, i have owmed with at least a
meg of ram. More ram is merrier!!
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Message 112 Sun Dec 05, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 02:19 EST
gnox,
Are there Atari specific conferences in the Softlogik RT (page 385)? If so,
what's this doing here? I'll IGN PER this Topic and join the Softlogik RT if
talk of Atari's PageStream is located there. I hate to browse through all the
messages to deal with Amiga's version, when all I am interested in is the
Atari version.
Rodney
Soft Logik Folks II,
I just purchased a used ST system with all his software to boot! And
PageStream 2.2b was included. How do I go about registering it under my name?
After installing it and playing around with it on the Falcon, and the talk of
color support here, I must included my two cents worth of trival information
(I'm no expert). I've loaded up .EPS graphics files (I think they are simular
to GEM, but from what I've been told are more of a standard among computer
plateforms) and low and behold, COLOR! Lot's of COLOR! I was in 16 Color, 80
columns (of course) and Doublelines OFF. I downloaded somemore EPS file
types, ones with more than 16 colors and booted up in 256 color mode, loaded
them into PageStream, and low and behold, it displayed them ALL. I viewed
these EPS files on a clown at work, and they look exactly the same as on my
Falcon under PageStream, but was somewhat more of a smoother color transition
from one to the next on the clown) No biggy, since it printed out nicely via
PageStream!
When (if) PageStream 3.0 does come out for the Atari line, please include me
as one of many that will purchase it!
Rodney
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Message 113 Sun Dec 05, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 04:59 EST
Wayne - The person I talked to who told me that Pagestream wouldn't run in
color (show color to the screen) on a Mega STe was a tech support guy at Soft
Logik. I would love to get it working, but I've tried and can't seem to get it
to work. Any help would sure be appreciated.
Thanks - Tommy
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Message 114 Sun Dec 05, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:35 EST
Rodney,
> Are there Atari specific conferences in the Softlogik RT (page 385)?
Yes, the sysops over there sorted everything out a few months ago and it's all
very well organized; all you'll have to do is CANcel Category 2, which is the
Amiga-specific stuff. PageStream 3.0 is Cat 1 Topic 2.
I think the only reason this Topic is here at all is for those who don't know
that Softlogik has its own RT.
gnox
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Message 115 Sun Dec 05, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 07:11 EST
R.BENNETT77 - I hate to be negative, but there's probably no point in
registering PGS in your name if you have the latest (probably LAST) version of
it. But if you must, you'll need the registered owner to send a letter to
Soft-Logik telling them that he's sold his copy to you.
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Message 116 Sun Dec 05, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 20:28 EST
Tommy,
PageStream will run in ST Medium res on your Mega STe. In medium res, though,
PageStream will not _use_ color. Does this clear up the confusion?
-dmj
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Message 117 Sun Dec 05, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 21:37 EST
I hope people are aware of the RT, we keep mentioning it now and then [grin].
Yes, for detailed and most information, the Soft Logik RT is the place to nbe!
~~Brian..Written on Sunday 05 December 1993 at 10:37 p.m. ADT
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Message 118 Mon Dec 06, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 00:24 EST
Matt,
PageStream works just fine in 1024x768x256 on my Cyrel card. I also will
run in color on a MSTe. Although it will not be very pretty to look at on the
ST medium screen it is usable.
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Message 119 Mon Dec 06, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 03:29 EST
Pagestream is =usable= in ST medium, but it also fails to reset the desktop
colors on quitting!
I've heard from many folks, here and elsewhere, that this is a bug in the
program....I only effectively get around it by chaining it to a desktop recall
program (DESKSWITCH by Charles Johnson...in the library here, and quite
excellent). Otherwise, it exits the program into a very warped desktop.....
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Message 120 Mon Dec 06, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 03:42 EST
dmj - Well, my experience is exactly what you said. Pagestream runs in medium
rez on the Mega STe, but not in color. That should clear up the confusion, but
Spud Boy says it will run in color but not very pretty. Is anyone out there
(Spud Boy included!) actually USING Pagestream on a Mega STe in color?
:-(
Thanks - Tommy
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Message 121 Mon Dec 06, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 08:31 EST
I can run it in Med Rez. AND use the colors for text, etc. You are
limited to the colors you set up in the color setup part of the
program however but, you can use color. For instance, if I have
white, Black, Red and Green set up, then that is all I can use for
text, lines, etc. I don't know about printing in color but, I am sure
you can. Trust me, I have used the colors.
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Message 122 Mon Dec 06, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 19:31 EST
Tommy,
I did use PageStream on a color ST. I even used it on a Mega STe for a
while. With only four colors to choose from you will find that there is not
much "color" you can add to the screen. They just aren't there. The program
runs just fine though.
Myabe I am misunderstanding what you mean by using it in color. I am just
saying it will run. As far as color goes, the default colors chosen by
Pagestream do kinda look like black and white though.
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Message 123 Mon Dec 06, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 20:00 EST
I think the reason some people get the idea that PGS doesn't work in
color on ST medium is that since black and white are fixed, and can't
be changed, there are only two colors remaining, and the only way to
make those show up is to draw lines, or shapes, or characters with a
fill style and color that doesn't get reduced to black or white. I
do a LOT of color work with PGS (working on my annual Christmas card
now, and it has LOTS of color). Sure wish I could afford a Falcon or
TT030 where I could SEE the colors on the screen, though.
>>quite excellent). Otherwise, it exits the program into a very <<
>>warped desktop..... <<
Yes, I chain (using HotWire) to a program I wrote (colorset) which
resets my colors. But PGS isn't the ONLY such program...
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Message 124 Tue Dec 07, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 00:07 EST
Spud boy -
Thanks for the info. Yeah, I tried running it in ST medium... works fine, but
your right, it doesn't look too pretty!
Don't know if the Cyrel card is available for the MSTe, but it's actually a
moot point. I know it's a great card, but it's a bit out of my price range at
the moment, especially since I'll no doubt need a new monitor if I opt for
even the AlberTT card. (this will give me TT medium and 16 colors for (I
think) about $300.)
A nice 17" SVGA or more likely 14" multisync will be $???
I should be getting some info on the AlberTT card soon, _then_ I can start
checking into monitors. Oh joy!
Thanks again,
Matt
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Message 125 Tue Dec 07, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 01:12 EST
Spud Boy - I don't even seem to be getting ANY colors, so I must be doing
something wrong. Should I be able to assign a color to say, the lines I'm
drawing and get something besides black?
Thanks - Tommy
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Message 126 Wed Dec 08, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 20:59 EST
Ron,
When you print in Color, what printer do you use?
Matt,
Yes, the Cryel card will work on the MSTe.
Tommy,
Go to edit color palette under the Global Options. Then set the colors you
want to be shown on screen. Realize that you only have two colors to play
with since white and black are already being used.
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Message 127 Thu Dec 09, 1993
NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 05:40 EST
>> When you print in Color, what printer do you use? <<
>>Matt, <<
>> <<
I use a Star-Micronics 1020 Rainbow. Cheap 9-pin printer with 4
color ribbon. Printer is available for as little as $149, and does a
great job with PageStream.
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Message 128 Fri Dec 10, 1993
G.FUQUAY [GGF] at 06:51 EST
Matt,
I for one would be very interested in hearing how you like the AlberTT card.
And some of the details about installation, cost and so forth. I have a MSTe,
and any info would be appreciated.
Gary
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Message 129 Sat Dec 11, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 00:42 EST
GGF (Gary)-
I haven't decided to get the AlberTT card yet. It sounds great, but I may
want to save a bit more and avail myself of more power/colors/rez's via
another card. Of course, I need to figure out which monitor(s) I'll need to
make the best use out of which card!
I'll make a note though, and if I get it, I'll let you know how it went!
Matt
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Message 130 Sat Dec 11, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 23:21 EST
The Cyrel Card is now only $995. 1024x768x256 looks great in PageStream.
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Message 131 Sat Dec 11, 1993
J.VENGROUSK1 at 23:55 EST
Yo hi,, i just got PAGESTREAM, running an old 520 upped to 2.5 meg with a
SyQuest 44 meg removable and am wondering about system setup reccomendations
from any of y'all who Know Things already. I have 2.2. thanks
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Message 132 Sun Dec 12, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:23 EST
J.VENGROUSK1,
> wondering about system setup reccomendations
That's a little too broad for us to respond to ... after you go through what
the manual tells you, get back to us with more specific questions. (Actually
the Softlogik RT, p. 385, would be an even better place.)
gnox
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Message 133 Sun Dec 12, 1993
J.VENGROUSK1 at 13:00 EST
gnox.... even the message you gave is a good help. THANKS!
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Message 134 Tue Dec 14, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 12:07 EST
The color question seems to have been answered by others here. Just to recap,
PageStream will run in ST Medium on a MSTE or any Atari, but screen colors are
not reset properly when you exit the program.
PageStream2.2 displays structured drawings and text in the closest available
screen color. Bitmap pictures are shown in black and white. (You can change
the frequency from --- to something small like 15 or 30 to get a better
preview. Just remember to change it back before printing.)
This topic exists to point people to the SoftLogik roundtable. Mark, our
online tech support person, generally reads only the messages in our RT, so
you will get much faster answers if you post your questions there. (m385,1 to
go to the SL RT. If you don't want to be bothered with Amiga messages, type
CAN 2 when you're there. Atari specific questions are in cat 3, so you can
type SET 3 to move there, and then TOP to see a list of topics.) For those
asking for information on PageStream 3.0 for the Amiga, check out the 3.0
topic in cat 2.
Cheers,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 135 Tue Dec 21, 1993
P.WALDING [Phil Walding] at 22:53 EST
Can someone help me out here please ???
I see a dealer in Auckland , New Zealand (I'm in Christchurch , N.Z.) is
selling a package of 400 true type fonts for NZ$150.00 , which seems cheap to
me. I am using Pagestream 2.2.
Will these fonts be of any use to me ?
Regards
Phil Walding
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Message 136 Wed Dec 22, 1993
T.GIRSCH [TJ @ S-Mart] at 00:29 EST
Phil -
As far as I'm aware, PGS 2 does NOT handle true type fonts. Only Type 1 and
Type 3 fonts. So, no, they won't be useful to you.
- T.J.
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Message 137 Wed Dec 22, 1993
R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 00:43 EST
Phil,
TrueType fonts are not directly useable with PageStream. There are ways
to convert them to Type 1, but there are also inexpensive packages of Type 1
fonts avalable (some font sets come in both versions). I feel you would be
better off looking onto those.
BTW, the quality of some of these million fonts for a dollar sets are not
always that high. I have bought some smaller lots of fonts inexpensively, and
have aquired some good fonts, but the value does vary. Also note that in some
of these large font sets, many of the fonts are very unique display fonts
which may be perfect for a particular use, but useless for most applications.
(Also note the different uses of the word font. Sometimes it really means
font, though it seems to be used mostly today to mean typeface or family. How
it is used can make a big difference in the number of typefaces you really
get.)
--Roger
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Message 138 Thu Dec 23, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:40 EST
Phil,
No, TT fonts don't work in any Atari applications. And that same package of TT
fonts has been roundly criticized stateside for its poor quality fonts,
anyway.
Al
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Message 139 Thu Dec 23, 1993
E.MONACO [DataBasement] at 18:45 EST
<Warning> *** Long Post ***
All, <HeLp!>
I recently acquired a Quadram QuadJet inkjet printer. I need to know if
there is a pagestream printer driver available for this beast? It takes Canon
Bubble Jet ink carts, however I was given a PJ1080A.SYS GDOS driver (which I
haven't been able to get working).
This printers Specifications are:
Print Type: Drop on demand ink-jet system.
Print Head: Piezoelectric type.
Nozzle: 4 nozzles (horizontal)
Color: (7) Yellow, Blue, Red, Green, Cyan, Magenta
and Black.
Graphic printing: 560 (B&W) & 640 (Color) dots per line.
Recognized Codes: LF $0A, VT $0B, FF $0C, CR $OD,
US $1F (Resets QuadJet to normal mode),
DC1 $11 (online), DC3 $13 (offline),
CAN $18 (cancel), ESC $1B (extended mode),
ESC Codes: 'F' $46 - linefeed pitch 1/6 or 1/8 inch.
'I' $49 - 560 dots per line image trans.
'L' $4C - Enlarged characters.
'C' $43 - color spec for single char.
'H' $48 - 640 color image transmission.
'N' $4E - Standard char print mode.
560 dpl mode: Esc+'I'+n1+n2. n1,n2 = number of image bits.
range: 1 - 560 (bits: 0= off/clear 1 = on/black)
LSB 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 LSB = Least Significant Bit.
0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 MSB = Most Significant Bit.
0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 Sending $1B, $49, $00, $08
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 (then 8 image bytes)
0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 $00, $18, $18, $7E, $7E, $18,
0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 $18, $00 would print out "+"
MSB 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 in black and white.
=============================
$00 $18 $18 $7E $7E $18 $18 $00
640 dpl mode: Esc + 'H' + n. n = number of dot groups, 1 group= 3
bytes (8 dots). range: 1 - 80 (3 bits RGB per dot)
layout: red bits then green bits then blue bits.
Examples:
$1B,$48,$2, followed by $FF,$FF, $00,$00, $00,$00
prints 16 red dots. { RED } {GREEN} { BLUE }
$1B,$48,$4,$FF,$00,$00, $00,$FF,$00, $00,$00,$FF
{ RED } { GREEN } { BLUE }
prints 16 red dots, followed by 16 green then sixteen blue.
$1B,$48,$08,
$00,$FF,$00,$FF,$00,$FF,$00,$FF, <- Red bits
$00,$00,$FF,$FF,$00,$00,$FF,$FF, <- Green bits
$00,$00,$00,$00,$FF,$FF,$FF,$FF <- Blue bits
Prints 16 dots in these colors and order.
BLACK, RED, GREEN, YELLOW, BLUE, MAGENTA, CYAN, WHITE
I am fairly proficient in assembly so if a compatible driver is not
available I am sure I could write one myself. Just glancing at the pagestream
drivers it appears that they are a collection of printer specific routines
compiled as an executable (they have a GEMDOS file header). In order to write
my own driver however I would need to know the format of pagestream drivers,
ie) what pagestream expects to be where and what it expects it to do.
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated as I want to use this printer
with pagestream.
Erin @DataBasement Software
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Message 140 Fri Dec 24, 1993
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 03:57 EST
As noted in the November issue of ST Informer, Soft-Logik is trying to find
out if there is sufficient interest (read market!) to upgrade PageStream to
3.0 for the Atari platform.
If you have any interest in seeing Soft-Logik upgrade the Atari version of
PageStream, drop over to their RoundTable (page 385) and let them know!
As with any commercial operation, Soft-Logik would like to feel that there is
a sufficient market to support their efforts.
Mike Allen
ST HelpDesk~Sysop
Written: 1:54 AM Mountain Time
Friday, December 24, 1993
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Message 141 Fri Dec 24, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 16:51 EST
Sorry, the printer driver format for PageStream 2.2 is not publicly available
at this time. Perhaps in the future.
Check your printer manual. It will likely be compatible with one of the major
printer standards, and thus we'll probably have a driver that will work with
it.
Mike A: we had nothing to do with that article in ST Informer saying we wanted
people to write us letters to show they wanted 3.0. I believe that is probably
an out-growth of something we posted here, that if demand was strong enough,
we'd do it. But that's ok, we don't mind getting letters requesting 3.0 for
the Atari, and we have been keeping them on file. However, 30 letters doesn't
exactly convince us that we should do 3.0 for the Atari. And that's all we've
received since we announced 3.0 for the Amiga I believe. 30.
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 142 Fri Dec 24, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 18:45 EST
Well, I guess we should EMail our requests! Mine is presently gone in EMail.
~~Brian..Written on Friday 24 December 1993 at 07:32 p.m. ADT
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Message 143 Fri Dec 24, 1993
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 21:07 EST
Michael,
I'd even pay full price for 3.0. Not all Atari users are on Genie. and prehaps
a survey with a news letter for Atari's would get you a more promising
response.
Frank
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Message 144 Sat Dec 25, 1993
T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 00:23 EST
Are you including Online requests in that file?!
Shove mine in there. There, that's 31. Who's next?
-Tom McComb
{5:03 pm} Friday, December 24, 1993
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Message 145 Sat Dec 25, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 08:53 EST
Well, for what it's worth, (which I'm affraid isn't very much according to
what is being said in the PgS RT) I'll make it #32!
VOTE YEA for PgS 3.0 Atari!
Matt
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Message 146 Sat Dec 25, 1993
P.WALDING [Phil Walding] at 14:47 EST
I'd be in for any upgrade available also. Roll on PgS 3.0
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Message 147 Sat Dec 25, 1993
C.CASSADAY [Parrot Head] at 14:52 EST
#33.
Chris
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Message 148 Sat Dec 25, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 15:43 EST
Mike:
It's tuff now to write a vote for PgS 3 for the ATARI because I'm not sure
when you started counting. I know when you frist announced 3 for the other
guys a number of us ask if the ATARI one would be upgraded. Anyway, that was
in the PgS RT. In case mine was not counted from there please count mine now
for ATAIR PgS 3.0.
By the way, is there anyone here on GEnie from Maui with PgS 3.0 for the
AMIGA?
David <><
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Message 149 Sat Dec 25, 1993
J.VENGROUSK1 at 22:20 EST
i'm brandnew with 2.2 anmd a question.. i try to fire up the oprogram from a
syquest 44 removable .. it comea p fine. i open a new doc , set 2 columns with
outline and start to enter text.... the cursor vanisdhes with
the first text keystroke and the display does nothing. i need to reboot the
computer to do anything... thoughts?
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Message 150 Sat Dec 25, 1993
G.FUQUAY [GGF] at 22:53 EST
>C.CASSADAY [Parrot Head] at 14:52 EST
>
>#33.
>
>Chris
>
>----------
> Mark me down for #34. I have never used anything but Pagestream. I started
with it when it was Publishing Partner, and have never looked back. Soft-
Logik, WE NEED V3.0!!!!!!!
GGF
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Message 151 Sun Dec 26, 1993
M.MASTALER [Mike] at 02:14 EST
Michael; # 35 here for PGS ATARI 3.0. I'd pay if you just had a keystroke to
" STOP PRINTING", or a kind of panic button.
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Message 152 Sun Dec 26, 1993
ALGORHYTHM [DanielKeller] at 05:58 EST
another yes vote......
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Message 153 Sun Dec 26, 1993
R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 08:32 EST
J.VENGROUSKI,
My first guess is that you have not configured your paths so the program
can find its fonts, etc, or you do not have enough memory.
Can you load in a sample DOC?
--Roger
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Message 154 Sun Dec 26, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 09:44 EST
J.VENGROUSKI,
The most common cause of that sort of problem is not having the Font Manager
completely set up. The path which includes your FONTSS, PLUGIN.TYP and
FONTLIST files has to be added to the default list of paths that you save with
the Manager (along with the paths for all the fonts in your default list).
Try adding that path and hitting the Default button in the Font Manager - or
if it's already there, try Updating it. If that doesn't work, ask again in
the Softlogik RT (p.385).
All, re votes for 3.0 Atari,
We've been through all this before ... it certainly doesn't hurt to leave your
votes here or in the Softlogik RT, but last time a bunch of us did that, we
were told that even if every existing PgS owner upgraded, it wouldn't be
enough to make Atari 3.0 cost-effective, and that what was needed was NEW
buyers of PageStream. Originally, the crucial number was the number of
Falcons Atari was selling. More recently the bottom line is less clear. But
the conclusion I draw from this sort of thing is that in the long run, the
best thing any of us end-users can do to maintain development for the Atari is
to try to win new converts to it. I wish I could practice what I'm preaching
more, but it's very difficult when the nearest dealer is 250 miles away. All
I know is that I'm sticking with this machine as long as I possibly can
because I like it, and I'll continue to ignore the "Atari is dead" posts (from
self-proclaimed marketing experts) that I've been seeing continuously since
1988.
End of sermon. :)
gnox
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Message 155 Sun Dec 26, 1993
S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 12:27 EST
Count me in for v3 too.
Sanjay.
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Message 156 Sun Dec 26, 1993
J.VENGROUSK1 at 13:41 EST
roger s and gnox....
thanks. I AM just getting this package up and (!?) running so this all
sounds reasonable. ANY AND ALL helpful startup suggestions are VERY
apreciated. I picked this over CLAAMUS (baby version) and am looking forward
to it doing What I Need!
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Message 157 Sun Dec 26, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 15:29 EST
PageStream3 requests: if you want to ensure your 'votes' get counted, write
to:
Soft-Logik Publishing Attn: Ellen Kazmaier, Marketing 11131F South Towne Sq.
St. Louis, MO 63123
Ellen is keeping a file of requests for pgs3 Atari. You can email requests as
well, but I don't always remember to print them out so you'd be better off
writing.
The 30 figure I quoted here includes just written letters. But even including
online requests we'd still be well under 100.
David: I don't understand your question about somebody on Maui with PgS3 for
the Amiga. Version 3.0 isn't shipping yet for the Amiga anyway.
JV: you need to add the directory path containing the fontssv2, plugin.typ (or
whatever it's called) and fontequivv2. Choose the font manager, click on add,
choose this directory (probably FONTS) and click on Ok. Do not select a file
with the file selector--- just the path. If you still have problems, drop by
our roundtable and tech support will help you out.
Happy holidays,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 158 Sun Dec 26, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 15:47 EST
[=Tom=],
I know of at least 4 other Atari owners (including myself) that would be
interested in the 3.0 version of PageStream as well. The other 3 do not
belong to GEnie nor do they even have modems. Matter of fact 1 of them is
looking over my shoulder has I reply to this question.
As we were reading SOFTLOGIC's 'justification for demand statement' to even
think of releasing a 3.0 for Atari computers, it wasn't the 'Oh Shucks', or
'Yeah, include my name on the list for 3.0', it was more along the line...
'hey, I'm just a consumer, I purchase what is good and made available to me,
and if Softlogic sees the 'justification for PageStream 3.0 for Atari
computers as in low demand' and the consumer has to justify their existence to
them, then forget it. There are other companies, corperations that have
released software for DTP work, although not many, there are others and they
don't 'demand justification from it's userbase'. Granted, those other packages
may not have the punch that PageStream has, but I have not heard them demand
it's userbase for justification for continued support.
If 3.0 is released... Happy Happy, Joy Joy! If not, it's as simple as turning
the other cheek and looking elsewhere, be it hardware or software or both.
Rodney
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Message 159 Sun Dec 26, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 21:14 EST
gnox,
In response to your post # 154 'the sermon': Amen! <G>
Matt
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Message 160 Mon Dec 27, 1993
CBARRON at 01:13 EST
Micheal @ SL-DEV: [or any who knows]
got a FAX # handy for SL?
I never get to the Post office too much. Too many long slow lines....
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Message 161 Mon Dec 27, 1993
D.BRYANT12 [DAN BRYANT] at 02:14 EST
Michael,
Ditto on the FAX request. I'm always looking for excuses to use PgS with my
fax/modem and STFax. I have had every version from Publishing Partner 1.0 to
PgS 2.2 and would dearly love to see 3.0. I'll drop Ellen a line but would
prefer to FAX it.
Dan
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Message 162 Mon Dec 27, 1993
C.MASSEY3 [Charlie] at 03:30 EST
As I've said before, I want to get a 6 pack of ST's to last me the rest of my
life 'cause I sure don't want to waste time learning another 'puter. It's
just about the perfect PC for my use. It does it all......
If I keep eating fruit cake, I might not need all 6 ST's!
Haven't begun to learn all the features of Pagestream 2.2 but will vote for
3.0 anyway!
If we didn't have so many folks in Atariland that want something for
nothing......Oh well.........
Charlie
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Message 163 Mon Dec 27, 1993
T.DUNBAR2 [Tommy] at 05:54 EST
I just mailed in my vote for 3.0
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Message 164 Mon Dec 27, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:10 EST
There is a fax number in the PageStream 2 manual, in the fine print on the
back of the title page - dunno if it's current or not. I'll ask over in the
Softlogic RT.
gnox
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Message 165 Mon Dec 27, 1993
K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 07:10 EST
I'm ready for PGS 3.0 I'll buy today. Count me in. When do I send the
money?
KenO. :)
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Message 166 Mon Dec 27, 1993
SL-DEV [Michael] at 11:43 EST
Fax: our fax number is 314-894-3280.
Rodney: as we've stated before, our position on 3.0 for the Atari is that we
will make a decision when 3.0 for the Amiga is done and shipping. This hasn't
happened yet, thus no decision has been reached. When 3.0 Amiga ships we will
take a look at the Atari market and see whether we can justify the expense of
porting 3.0. It's not that we don't want to do it, Atari's were the first
computer for many of us, and we have a huge investment in Atari hardware and
training, but if we can't justify the development financially, then we can't
do it. We didn't ask users to start a letter writing campaign to get 3.0 (I
feel like the TV networks cancelling I'll Fly Away ;-), that was done by ST
Informer. However, we're happy to receive letters from our users asking us to
port 3.0. Obviously a decision to port 3.0 has two important factors: how many
Atari computers are being sold to new users so we can sell new copies, and how
many PageStream users are still using their Atari computers and thus would
upgrade. Normally, we would want both numbers to be healthy; without new
users, we just sell a bunch of upgrades and then don't sell any new copies for
the next year until another upgrade. You can't stay in business that way. But
if we got so many requests for 3.0 upgrades, then maybe it would be worth it
anyway. And unless Atari starts selling computers in much larger numbers,
we'll have to rely on upgrades since there aren't many new users.
So, we want to do it. If we can afford it, we will.
Happy holidays,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 167 Mon Dec 27, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 15:46 EST
Thanks Michael for a very professional and honest answer.
~~Brian..Written on Monday 27 December 1993 at 03:41 p.m. ADT
remember there IS a very active Soft Logik RT!
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Message 168 Mon Dec 27, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 23:34 EST
I too would pay for a 3.0 PageStream.
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Message 169 Tue Dec 28, 1993
R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 23:34 EST
SL-DEV [Michael],
Believe me, I understand your position. No sense in releasing a product
unless you can make a profit from it, I think that stands with any
corperation. I don't know the numbers of Atari owners, new or old, but I know
it doesn't compare to any other computer plateform that is currently on the
market. (Numberwise) What products are available for the Atari, there isn't
to much to compare and choose from, but what is available is high quality.
I would think releasing a completely new revision to PageStream that instead
of selling upgrades that a complete package should be sold to anyone requiring
the additional features added into it. v2.2 works flawlessly on all Atari
680x0 machines as is. So the upgrade would be adding additional features only
right? Why not ask the question to the userbase here if they would be willing
to pay the 'full' price on the 3.0 package. This may sound really unfair to
those that have just recently purchased PageStream, but maybe also throw in a
yearly support fee for free upgrades... and to those that pay the yearly
support fee, can recieve an update to 3.0 or any other upgrade within that
year time frame. This yearly support fee can be extended on a yearly bases or
whatever... This way, you get monies coming in for your continued support...
Arg... just a dream I'm thinking of... :-) I am in no way qualified to even
mention on how to run a bussiness... I can barely balance my checkbook! :-)
Rodney
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Message 170 Wed Dec 29, 1993
B.KANTOR [Bruce] at 00:19 EST
Soft Logic,
Count me in for PageStream 3.0.
A happy loyal customer, Bruce
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Message 171 Wed Dec 29, 1993
P.WALDING [Phil Walding] at 18:48 EST
I am playing around with setting up my files on Pagestream for output to a
postscript printer I have recently purchased.
I have read in the Pagestream manual of a "Pagestream Fonts Plus Pack" and was
wondering if this was still available (I'm using V2.2 B) and what the pricing
was on it. I guess also can it be purchased by charging to VISA ?
Regards
Phil Walding
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Message 172 Wed Dec 29, 1993
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er] at 21:35 EST
Phil,
>I have read in the Pagestream manual of a "Pagestream Fonts Plus
>Pack" and was wondering if this was still available (I'm using V2.2 B)
>and what the pricing was on it. I guess also can it be purchased by
>charging to VISA ?
Call Soft-Logic to order it. And I believe that it is $10.00 which might or
might not include shipping.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^ JSW ^^^^
^^^^ ST'er ^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wednesday, December 29, 1993 - 9:28:42 pm
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Message 173 Fri Dec 31, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 07:22 EST
Sorry Michael @ Soft-Logik
I thought I read 3.0 for the Amiga was shipping. I have read I am wrong! What
I was trying to ask by the post was to see 3.0 for the Amiga in action. Just
to see the differences. :)
Anyway, I will look forward to that release.
David <><
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Message 174 Wed Jan 12, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 at 22:08 EST
am slowly getting closer to running PS 2.2!
have a two-column text area up and can type in vivible letters.. but the y
all go one on top of each other into a little black dense blob....
help?!
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Message 175 Thu Jan 13, 1994
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 00:33 EST
Make sure that the files Fontequiv.v2 and I think fontlist are being loaded.
I'm sure someone else here will know which files exactly need to be run (I
don't) but it sounds like the kerning or word and line spacing info for your
font is not being found. This happened to me once, and it was that some of
the font related files weren't where they are supposed to be.
This is also covered (I believe) in the manual.
Good luck,
Matt
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Message 176 Thu Jan 13, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:28 EST
J.VENGROUSKI,
How about giving us a friendlier handle? (I mean use GEnie's NAMe command.)
Anyway, this problem comes up so often for new users that I have an answer all
ready to go:
Next time you run PageStream, go to Set/Save Paths under the Global menu and
make sure that the right path is entered in the Fonts box. The path should end
with \*.* - and in that folder on your hard drive, you should have PLUGIN.TYP,
FONTSS.V2, FONTEQIV.V2 and FONTLIST.V2. Let's call this your main font folder
(though it may not have any actual fonts in it.)
Then go to the Font Manager. (See 8.5 in the manual.) You should see a list
of folders. Is your main font folder in the list? If it isn't, click on Add
and use the file selector to add it. Then click the Default button to save
your default fontlist. That should fix you up. (If your main font folder is
already listed in the Font Manager, try selecting it and using the Update
button.)
Hope this helps!
gnox
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Message 177 Thu Jan 13, 1994
SL-DEV [Michael] at 17:04 EST
Phil: the Plus Pack is still available for $10 plus $5 shipping. Call 1-800-
829-8608 for sales. It used to be available for $75 from dealers, but we now
bundle it with full copies of PgS so we've dropped the price to $10.
Yes, we accept visa and mc.
JV: if you haven't already, drop by our roundtable. This is a frequently asked
question. You just need to fix up your font paths in the font manager. Mark
can help you out in our RT.
Cheers,
Michael @ Soft-Logik Publishing Corp.
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Message 178 Thu Jan 13, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 at 21:01 EST
Many thanks for the fine answers here... most especially to you gnox!
handle coming up... right now actually....!
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Message 179 Thu Jan 13, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 [SHOWMAN] at 21:07 EST
I am finding that when I came home with PAGESTREAM and just couldNOT wait to
start getting it on line, I did the install in some quasi-somnambulistic
state.
I;m finding al SORTS of odd files in wrong places, files not transferrd to
the HD, etc etc etc/ I've straightend most of it out and now perhaps I'll get
it ALL right.
MICHAEL.. granted I'm a pretty slipshod GEnie user... but in the tw times
I've tried ( albeit cursorialy) to find the SftyLogic RT.. it escapes me...
GEnie pare number please PAGE number that is...! thanks
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Message 180 Thu Jan 13, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 [SHOWMAN] at 22:52 EST
a-HA!
it was JUSt as you say sir! I had all the files IN there.. somewhere... but
THIS was the rub... "The path should end with \*.* - and The path should end
with \*.* - and in that folder on your hard
drive, you should have PLUGIN.TYP, FONTSS.V2, FONTEQIV.V2 and
FONTLIST.V2.
This mch i had right and THEN...
"Is your main font folder in the list?"
of courese it was NOT! every darned font folder et al WAS there... but that
one was not!
ity's fixed..
It works!
why did I get wrangled into blowing 3 years and $$$$$$$$ on Wordflair!?
Thanks !
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Message 181 Fri Jan 14, 1994
CBARRON at 01:55 EST
showman page 385;1 - bbs, 385;3 libs
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Message 182 Fri Jan 14, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:26 EST
See you on page 385, SHOWMAN! :)
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Message 183 Fri Jan 14, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 [SHOWMAN] at 20:14 EST
thanks..... squared!
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Message 184 Sat Jan 15, 1994
A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL] at 11:38 EST
Showman:
Another common error(at least for me) in setting up your fonts is
charactor/line spacing if the values are set to 0 or negative numbers the
charactors can pile up on top of each other. so check under the format option
of the top menue, select char/line spacing. there will be boxes to set both
charactor and line spacing, for a start put in values like 10 and 16. there is
some sample text that changes to reflect the values you put in there so it
will be easy to see if that is the problem.
AL P
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Message 185 Sun Jan 16, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:38 EST
AL P,
0 is the default setting for character spacing, and that setting should not
cause characters to pile up or overlap unless something else is wrong in your
setup. (Zero line spacing could cause some overlapping, if you are using
Fixed Leading.)
gnox
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Message 186 Mon Jan 17, 1994
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 23:37 EST
Al P. and gnox,
Scrunched up type sounds like a problem with Fontlist.V2 or Fontss.V2. I had
this problem until I replaced these files, somehow they wound up getting
corrupted.
Now if only I could find out why politicians get corru. . . . nah!
Chris @ Computer Direct
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Message 187 Tue Jan 18, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:42 EST
Chris,
You're right, those .V2 files do seem to be more susceptible to corruption
than other files for some reason - I've had to replace them a couple times.
Now if we could just fix corrupt politicians by digging out the original disk
...
gnox
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Message 188 Tue Jan 18, 1994
F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 19:55 EST
gnox,
I too have had trouble with one of the .V2 files getting corrupted. I brought
the thing up and it had some dialog in file giving a partial description
'DIAMOND BACK II', deleted and copied over the original of the file. Worked
for a while and ended up with the same thing. Now when I back with 'Diamond
Back' I use Deskmanger and don't enable Warp9. It hasn't happened now for
about 6 months and I back up once a week. Pagestream itself doesn't seem to do
the corrupting.
Just something to keep in mind while you backing up.
Frank L
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Message 189 Wed Jan 19, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:57 EST
Frank,
The kind of corruption I've seen in V2 files is more the one-wrong-byte-
somewhere kind, probably due to a very minor defect in disk media; I've never
had a problem with Diamond Back and Warp 9. But I'll file your note away in my
collection of troubleshooting tips.
gnox
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Message 190 Sat Jan 22, 1994
M.ERSOFF at 11:10 EST
To Any and All,
I have encountered an interesting problem and I need some help to
figure out a creative solution. Here goes....
I have a large library of IBM .CGM vector graphics that I have
converted into Adobe Illustrator format so that I can import them
into PageSTream 2.2. My problem is that I used an PC program
(HiJaaK Pro) to convert them into Adobe Illustrator format. In the
course of the conversion process, the Adobe Illustrator files are
written with the following header:
%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2
%%Creator: HiJaak for Windows 1.0
%%Title: (POLARBEA.CGM)
%%CreationDate: 01/21/94 21:02:24
%%BoundingBox:126 216 486 576
%%TemplateBox:126 216 486 576
%%DocumentProcSets:HiJaak_2 0 0
%%DocumentSuppliedProcSets:HiJaak_2 0 0
%%DocumentFonts:Courier
%%Template:
%%PageOrigin:0 0
%%PrinterName:
%%EndComments
%%BeginProcSet:HiJaak_2 0 0
The problem is that PageSTream 2.2 can only import Adobe Illustrator
graphics that have the CREATOR line with ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR as the
creator of the files. I _CAN_ import the files into PageSTream if I
use a text editor to change the
%%Creator: HiJaak for Windows 1.0
line to
%%Creator: Adobe Illustrator
My question is .... Is there a utility that can search and replace
a text string (in this case "HiJaak for Windows 1.0") with a new
text string (in this case "Adobe Illustrator") across _MANY_ files
at a time. To be specific, If I have 100 files in a folder on my
hard drive with "%%Creator: HiJaak for Windows 1.0" in the
header of the file and I want to change _ALL_ occurances of this in
all files in that folder to "%%Creator: Adobe Illustrator".
If anyone knows of a utility (PD or commercial) please let me know.
NOTE: Just in case I haven't been clear, I want a PD or commercial
program to do what I describe above for the ATARI platform
_NOT_ for the IBM.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks ....... Mayer
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Message 191 Sat Jan 22, 1994
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS] at 13:28 EST
Mayer,
I replied to this posting in SoftLogik's Roundtable.
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Message 192 Sat Jan 22, 1994
DMJ [dmj] at 14:19 EST
Mayer,
TLC Fixer, part of the TLC Utilities package, will do just what you ask. It
let you specify a string to find, a string to replace it with, and up to
twenty files you want to apply the change to. It's in the library here; do a
search on T.HAYSLETT as the uploader and you should find it.
~dmj
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Message 193 Sat Jan 22, 1994
R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 20:54 EST
Mayer,
There is a program that batch changes the creator in PostScript files,
but I can seem to find it in the library (or Soft-Logic's). It must be there
somewhere though, because I think I Dled it once (but never used it).
--Roger
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Message 194 Sat Jan 22, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 23:00 EST
Mayer,
The program Roger's referring to is called BULKFIX - uploader (and author) is
CBARRON.
gnox
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Message 195 Sun Jan 23, 1994
J.VENGROUSK1 [SHOWMAN] at 18:03 EST
thanks all.. fixed the text pileup by getting the font manager paths
straightened out! gee.. pagestream is EASY! I'm having fun!]
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